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I'm still sour of how easily I was deceived while being so happy when envisioning a future that won't come.

First with autopilot, then with boring's tunnels, then a $39k cybertruck, then ...

What's that saying about "fool me so many times I can't keep count" ?

Whatever angry feeling we may have towards Elon Musk, he's not the richest man on earth for nothing.

Lesson learned, till next time !





>>he's not the richest man on earth for nothing.

He engineers perceptions, finance, and govt funds, not technology. Every report and available evidence shows he is barely technologically astute, nevermind genius; the accomplishments of his teams are despite him not because of him.

Which is why a better description would be: The Greediest Man On Earth.


> Every report and available evidence shows he is barely technologically astute, nevermind genius; the accomplishments of his teams are despite him not because of him.

In particular, nothing that comes out of his mouth regarding AI makes any sense.

And still, people listen to him as if he was an expert. Go figure.


Or even vehicle autonomy.

His latest bullshit was about Tesla cameras and fog/rain/snow - on an investor call, no less - "Oh, we do photon counting directly from the sensor, so it's a non-issue".

No. 1, Tesla cameras are not capable of that - you need a special sensor, that's not useful for any real visual representation. And 2, even if you did, photon counting requires a closed "box" so to speak - you can't count photons in "open air".

And no-one calls it out.


I just don’t get it? Do people hang off his every word just because he’s rich? What are they expecting for this worship… it’s not like he’s going to start throwing $100 bills to people because they agree with him on Twitter

Seen from the other side of the Atlantic, I've regularly felt that the US is rather prone to hero worship, see e.g. the passion dedicated to presidential candidates, former presidents, billionaires, but also how the main characters of pretty much all American biopics I recall can't ever be wrong.

If my observation is correct, I guess what we're witnessing with Musk could be a case of hero worship – and in any narrative in which Musk is a hero, he's of course right.


Just stating that he does seem to inspire and build teams/orgs that do great things.

Both SpaceX and Tesla are accomplishments if you consider where their competitors are.


> Both SpaceX and Tesla are accomplishments if you consider where their competitors are.

CATL, BYD, and other Chinese manufacturers are absolutely killing it at Tesla's expense, Because their markets have actual, sharp-elbowed competition requiring actual innovation.


It takes a lot more effort to be first. When they were making the roadster, who else was interesting in BEV?

For SpaceX, who is landing rockets for reuse?

With all due respect, China at this point does seem to only get in when the early adoption is done. Then they just throw state money at the problem to catch up. They might be innovating now but they left the hard work to someone else


> China at this point does seem to only get in when the early adoption is done.

China started strategic planning on renewable energy in 1992. You're sorely mistaken if you think China intends to merely "catch up" - they are gunning to be the leader, and have the fundamental research to back the aspirations.

> For SpaceX, who is landing rockets for reuse?

Just Blue Origin. Commercial space is new and inherently has little competition; SpaceX is rightfully a pioneer. Traditional government space programs in Europe, the US, Russia or China were never cost sensitive on national security payloads, or prestige manned missions - maybe a bit on the science missions. China - like the US and few other countries with the research, industrial and GDP foundations - can go from zero to one in any field it chooses to prioritize[1], and has done so on a manned space station - which may be the only one in orbit come 2030.

1. Underestimating an adversary is one way to get nasty surprises. The US is currently playing catch-up on hypersonic glide weaponry.


The Chinese cars makers are heavily government funded, with the goal of flooding markets.

It’s not hard to sell EVs when you’re losing money on each one.


Can you provide links showing how much any of the companies is getting from the government?

https://www.electrive.com/2025/08/22/china-discloses-subsidi...

$230B is the number thrown around, but those are the direct subsidies. When suppliers are subsidized it gets hard to account for all of it.


For Tesla maybe (if you ignore self driving as useless), but that doesn’t apply to spacex.

Just imagine how much more successful they'd be if Elon Musk wasn't meddling and leeching from them!

How many massive, bloated rockets that nobody really needs have the competitors been blowing up time after time after time?

When they do this on their own dime and get results years ahead of competitors, is that a bad thing?

If not for crew dragon, the US would be begging Russia for seats to the ISS still. Is that your preferred outcome?


I wasn't talking about "dragon", I was talking about "starship". So far they have all exploded with little to show for it.

You might have said the same of falcon 1.

You're also ignoring the timeline issue. You want to talk about SLS and it's timeline? Or new Glen?

They're spending their own money, who are you to tell them not to.

As to space debris raining down, yes that is a problem.




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