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The Lancet[1] forecasted Musk's 'bit of a jerk' elimination of USAID[1] will cause a death toll that puts him around 10x that of Pol Pot.

> Projections suggest that ongoing deep funding cuts—combined with the potential dismantling of the agency—could result in more than 14 million additional deaths by 2030, including 4·5 million deaths among children younger than 5 years.

[1] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...





Lancet lost all credibility long ago. They had to retract several seminal papers on autism and vaccines as well as Covid.

USAID isn’t an aid organization, it’s a front for CIA efforts internationally. It funded CORDS during the Vietnam War which was a paramilitary force.

DOGE didn’t get rid of USAID, Rubio did day one (since it falls under the State Department).


> Lancet lost all credibility long ago.

Whether or not they're credible to you, they're still the #2 ranked general medicine journal in the world, second only to the NEJM.

> USAID isn’t an aid organization, it’s a front for CIA efforts internationally

This is a conspiracy theory that can be trivially refuted by simply following the money. You can do this because their budget is public, unlike the budget of the CIA. The stuff you're citing from a half century ago isn't relevant to the work they've been doing when Musk said "Time for it to die."

What USAID actually was was a vital tool of US soft power and influence globally, and if you believe that it's important to wipe out the last remaining vestiges of the United States' perception as 'the good guys' then by all means it was very important to stop their work immediately.


> Whether or not they're credible to you, they're still the #2 ranked general medicine journal in the world, second only to the NEJM.

Their ranking is based on how often papers are referenced in total, not the validity of any one paper. As I said, they been criticized for serious lapses in publishing fraudulent papers.

> The stuff you're citing from a half century ago isn't relevant to the work they've been doing when Musk said "Time for it to die."

I'm sorry what? It's the same organization? The fact that USAID was funding paramilitary organizations during war tells you USAID has nothing to do with aid.

> USAID actually was was a vital tool of US soft power and influence globally....if you believe that it's important to wipe out the last remaining vestiges of the United States' perception as 'the good guys' then by all means it was very important to stop their work immediately.

So you're saying unless the US can project soft power and influence (which is ALWAYS to the US' benefit, it absolutely is not altruistic) it won't be viewed as the "good guys"?

Wut?

That makes no sense.


You mean Trump's elimination of USAID? You really think he's worse than Hitler?

Let’s not pretend that Trump knew or cared what USAID was. Musk was extremely hands-on with the dismantling of that agency specifically.

I didn’t share my thoughts, I shared a Lancet article calculating the death toll. I leave the math, the comparisons, and the moral judgments as an exercise for the reader.


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I don't speak for mullingitover, but… "other" reasons? Surely all the stuff he's done are the reasons?

And Musk seems to have tarred himself:

Tesla sales are down a lot even in places where the market is growing, in part because it was lefty liberals who were the original primary market for EVs.

Musk's support for Trump (who openly hates eco-friendly anything and appears to be tanking the US economy with inflation and tariffs and the only growth sector being AI DCs) also appears to be the reason the entire EV market in the US is going down.

He's also having spats with various national leaders. But… look, in UK, Keir Starmer has catastrophically poor opinion poll ratings, Musk's managing to bob around the same level, slightly worse, in part due to tweeting things seen as calling for a civil war in the UK.

Similar in Germany. Where the Gigafactory is… ah, still a building site, not having needed to expand to the full potential of the water licence it had. (A factoid I only know about due to comparisons with the combined AI data centre use across the state of Arizona).




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